You dont have the right to impose your will to stop others from exercising their right. So the money is given and used but the people are not actually persuing doing these things because instead theyre going bowling, to the movies, and on vacation, oh and to Israel, while the rest of the world is going down to the pit. I had a girlfriend very dear to me who is still currently attending Calvary Chapel in Chino, California. I have to say I agree with Randy. And he said it was because he has that moment of repentance and accepted Jesus as his Savior. I have clung to CC of Chino Hills for the last decade. Granted, it is a reasonable argument that the Church Fathers, and Tradition, wrote about collegial relationship. When I asked the pastor if we might have a NT Greek class, his reply, we dont even know if the NT was written in Greek. That was the final straw for me. Why then do you find fault when I clearly demonstrate Calvary Chapels false doctrine and stances? It is our hope that through Jesus Christ you will know Real Life. the point is unity and love which i will expand on later. However, an attempt to make claims against Catholicism seem as simple as you have is simply either ignorance of reality or disingenuous. (Clement of Alexandria, 195 AD, 2.217). Two years on, was falsely accused of slander by the Pastor for employing Matt 18 against a deliberately sinning and unrepentant respected inner circle sinning member, with ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT at a Church hearing to establish Biblical truths and factual evidence surrounding the matter, not to talk of a resolution. Amen. Im worried they have fallen for their continued false. I believe that God decided to save those who believe and was able to write their names in His Holy Book of Life before we existed because of his foreknowledge; God knew who would believe and humble themselves. He serves as senior pastor and founder of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, in southern California. 6. If this debate was to ever turn into a court room trial, i think the author should print out the comments that you all have left and title it exhibit A., i agree! Go to a church that builds up your faith. Age / How old / Birthday / Date of Birth / DOB. any mention of any of the gospel but I just went to Christmas Eve We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. See Sean Feught exposed at the link for his NAR connections as Bill Johnson is his . As far as Calvary Chapel is concerned: It is hypocritical for a church that totes unity through anti-doctrinal means to have been formed by a man who found a subjective distaste for his original form of church (doctrine in the so-called non-essentials) and decided now, with his finite experience, that he will create his own sect that meets these new needs. I believe Calvary Chapel is as much a part of the body of Christ as Christians are in Rick Warrens church. Learning about true repentance, conversion, actually being born again, the Lordship of Christ, the sufficiency of grace, the new life in Christ, the body of Christ, how the church is supposed to function, etc. My recommendation to you is to take a look at my posts regarding Chuck Smiths book, Calvary Chapel Distinctives. You tell me if that is what you mean by replacing the word of God with the traditions of men. As Gods people we are saved from our sinful state that we might live for Christ, enjoying Him and worshiping Him now and for all eternity. I had many family members saved there, in spite of that pastor or church system, and I am thankful for that. Some people could say that I contradict myself saying that its not our decision to be saved and yet not fully agree with Calvinists. The 83-year-old pastor - who is estimated to be worth $760million - cackled manically during his Sunday service as it became clear the Democrat will take the White House. Avoid any appearance of evil? The church now draws tens of thousands of local believers as well as millions through media outreach. If the answer is yes, would it be ok for a Calvinist to declare that all those who reject Calvinism are actually rejecting Jesus who is in fact the Word of God? Theyre all taught by men, so of course there will be errors in teaching. I was a re-commiting Christian and the Bible centered culture of CC was very important for my walk with God. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Ph: 909.393.7100. You hit the nail on the head in regards to their views on decisional regeneration. History channel makes a huge impact to the viewer about bible were alien history, most of my co-workers are turning away from the bible it self. Grace is never an excuse for bad teaching. How sad that your experience has been such; my own experience with CC is that we read the Bible a few verses or chapters at a time and I dont ever recall any funny jokes. CC members that I have known have more of a grasp on the Bible than any other group of Christians I have ever encountered. Show Notes. According to various sources, the church serves so many people every week. You point out the fact that Paul even criticized churches and people in scripture for their false doctrine. However, I am not in agreement with Calvinists on some issues and I think their TULIP does not portray God in all His attributes, in all His glory. God led me to this Church and I thank Him for doing that. (we agreed to that point) And then in later years, he could fall away from faith in God, he could denounce God, curse God, murder, rape, and become a drunkard and in that current state with no desire to repent of any of those, he dies. Sometimes I think about Judgment day, when we will all be kneeling in front of our wonderful Lord.. and then we will realise the futility of division between churches and denominations. Let's use the tools our great God generously provides; He faithfully multiplies our gifts. If I want to know what they believe I can read the westminister confession. One day we will be accounted for how we used them. This is why I left. Blessings to you, Kathy. I think that you can be very limited to how you will grow in knowledge and as a Christian if you stay. Five years ago I would of been saying the same things as you. Calvary Chapel allows any Tom, Dick or Harry to call himself a pastor-teacher and use their name. Jon- your misunderstanding of the doctrines of grace lead you to believe they are in opposition to free-will. its important to be quick to listen but slow to speak and also to not love arguing for the sake of arguing but one should engage others respectfully and in a way as seeks to know rather than argue and to clarify rather than rant on and on. As for my friend, well, he came back after just a few years of pastoring in a small rural town. Many are simply one congregation denominations. No. John, Simple dogmatic formulations were considered sufficient. God does use them, in SPITE of the glaring doctrinal issues. we all mess up and no grace doesnt give us that right to mess up Gods word those who are called to teach are called to teach it right James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment Wait, though, what if two people of the opposite sex get together (and I realize that opposite sex isnt really a thing because of gender fluidity and all, but Im trying to think like Hibbs here) and have sex simply because theyre horny and dont want to make a baby, is that still wanton lust and pleasure only for self? I think it varies from congregation to congregation and pastor to pastor. I have often moved from one church to another and the reason was that it was Jesus I was looking for but couldnt find him in the churches I went to coz they compromised Gods Word, they taught a different gospel/ doctrine/ Christ/ Godsince childhood I was not going to give in to the views of a person or religious leaderall I wanted to know was Christ and his Truth and if I felt or noticed that people/ churches/ religious leaders were saying things that I couldnt find in my Bible then I would leave, pray on it and seek a church that taught the truth of Godmany times my search was not so hopeful so I settled for Calvary Chapel not knowing its beliefs but knowing that it seemed to be the only church close to what I believed and I needed a place to fellowship and hear the Word of God preached.but am a curious person so I set out to know what CCs fundamental beliefs were and when I did I found that something didnt feel right.I remember they claimed they believed in a middle ground between traditionalism and radicalismthis didnt match scripture. Today, he has a good physique and serves the Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, which he founded years ago, along with his wife. Ive been a bible teacher on and off the radio for them At one time I did kind of believe Calvary CHapel is the way, thruth, and life. Unknown to me at the time, he was teaching the series that became the ever popular book, the Purpose-Driven Life. I just think of Jesus who said forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Ive been a ccer for many years and have experienced both good and bad from various socal churches. I think people need to realize that not only the gate is narrow but the path is narrow. By the way, if one is so inclined to really get back to the Apostolic Faith, go pass the Reformation, wave to the Roman Catholics and say hello to Eastern Orthdox. Christians benefit when they worship and serve in an environment that encourages them and utilizes their gifts. My husband helped organize the church from the legalities of establishing a non-profit to handling the acquisition of the real estate for the churchs location. Jack hosts a worldwide radio broadcast encouraging listeners to develop a Biblical worldview that is practical both in and out of the home. Wedding & Marriage / Wife / Engaged / Spouse / Partner. The idea of a historical continuity in the life of the Church, says Hofstadter, carries no weight whatever for the sect consciousness. In fact, since there need be only a shadow of confessional unity in the denominations, the rational discussion of theological issues- in the past a great source of intellectual discipline in the churches- came to be regarded as a distraction, as a divisive force.'. I asked the pastor of that cc if I could envite a friend who is now big in the christian world on how to biblically use the law in evangelism ( His initals ar RC) you can probably figure it out. you say we have no docrine other say you are blinded by the world and we go back and forth throwing mud, who gets the glory Christians?? Anyway, I thought this was a very poor and vague attempt to slander another part of the body of Christ. Before you criticize the errors of the Church, I pray that you as well as all others, will attempt to understand what the Church actually teaches first. Since the pope was in Rome the Western Emperor could not as easily influence the Western Church (since the popes would resist any attempt to control the Church) , and as the Western Empire began to fall to the barbarians, there was virtually no Western Emperor or secular ruler to interfere with the Church. Jack and his wife, Lisa, began a home fellowship over thirty years ago with just six faithful souls. Fact: evidence of a spirit filled spirit lead anything is found in Galations where the fruits of the.. The Lord Jesus did use this church to introduce Himself to me. In retrospect, I can see that CC does not promote a fully armed Christian. I do admit a certain humbleness is needed to be under authority to men whom God has selected that one might feel superior to intellectually, and spiritually, but we do have to remember the words Paul spoke to the Corinthians in his first epistle to them because of the same problem. It is a cult. Theres a dire need for male teachers of color. Its quite like the Bible is read but NEVER actually practiced -more like when sin is made public, its more important to the Pastors to protect the infallible Calvary Chapel name than it is to protect Christs name and judge righteously. Things started going downhill when my husband refused to quit a steady job for a no income one. You are demonstrating Calvary Chapels twisted view of it (see: http://www.modernpulpit.com/2010/09/25/calvary-chapel-distinctives-grace-upon-grace/) and making an excuse for sin. i would like you to expand on your idea of the doctrine of grace please. People dont know where you really stand Calvary Chapel has a sort of mystique about it. I grew weary of all the nonsense and turned towards rebellion from what I thought was Christianity for a year or so until the Lord drew me back into truths that I had never been taught at Calvary. They are bound to have issues because of the involvement of man. The fellowship started in August 1990 with just six people in Andrew's home, in Chino Hills, California. I encourage everyone to watch his Regeneration vs The Idolatry of Decisionalism video or his The Shocking Youth Message video all available on this website: http://donors.heartcrymissionary.com/videos/video-archive?task=allvideoslist&from=50. In any Assembly there are going to be people whom disagree with things you preach or teach. You might find yourself on their bad list, or be made to look like a fool for questioning the teaching. I am not sure why you would post such an article or how that helps build the body of Christ but it is clear that your views about Calvary are not universally accepted or shared by the majority. While Orthodoxy has been wise to limit its teaching authority to the ancient teachings from the time of the schism, to be conservative in remaining the same for 1000 years, it is in fact a result of separating itself from the teaching of authority of papacy and the magesterium (the overall teaching authority of the Church) of the Catholic Church. Christians have watched brilliant theologians mutilate, twist, and pervert the Word of God. It is Calvary Chapel as a system and their core fundamental beliefs that are lacking. Jesus is not here to give us bubble gum goose bumps and we are not commanded to pretend nothing else exists but the mere existence of the words of his name. Because that would mean that all non-procreative sex would die out. I know my pastor, Ross Reinman at Calvary Chapel the Rock in Santa Rosa, has never done the kind of things youre talking about here. We also know many people who have left and they are by far the more biblically studious and doctrinally sound people we know. Is falling into the wrong doctrine that dangerous? He is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 25, according to online court records. Thanks. Chucks likes if you abide in me i will abide in you. I wish we had Mormons, JWs, Catholics, etc come to a bible study. By teaching verse by verse you get all Gods Word and cant skip over the hard parts. Im sorry if I sound hurt I just want my family truly saved. Inside sick Honeytrap plot that left man dead after women seduced and drugged him to steal his Rolex watches, Man had sex with his wife on bollard after fuming neighbour placed it in cul-de-sac in protest during parking row, Man, 42, killed after being hit by digger as driver arrested for gross negligence manslaughter, televangelist Kenneth Copeland was caught on camera making a creepy fake laugh, cackled manically during his Sunday service, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). CCs do welcome Calvinists until they start talking about Calvinism. I think you need to be specific and state which Calvary Chapels you are referring to. 3. Anyway, the Eastern church just kept going and didnt change. Your emphasis has no scriptural basis, its a cop out for having an unscriptural theology and would be no different than me saying something like, I love your passion for raising children. You dont seem to understand the stance. Ive helped start churches with them foreign and local You are trying to say there are more spiritual things someone could be doing than pointing out error and you are elevating and emphasizing just one aspect of the Christian life (evangelism). I am constantly amazed at how quick people are to throw around terms like lordship salvation, puritan, reformer and not know what any of them are. Jack is the founder and senio I encourage you to resist taking shortcuts by substituting flimsy materials. They fail to recognize that salvation reconciles us to God. In essence the last couple of years that I was attending cc I was leaving every service more grieved than blessed because of the error in the teaching and the use of erroronous Bible translations and the horrible man centered salvation envatation: Gos something like this.Okay everybody close their eyes because we dont want to embarrass anybody (you mean the sinner thats making the most important desiscion of thier life), christians you say the prayer too, and no one looking around, and then it was the most man centered manipulated prayer given time and time again. This article may seem an attack on CC but rather it is a call for TRUTH. No longer do I look to a church but I look to GOD. Greg Laurie doesnt even preach Biblical Evangelism at his harvest cruesades; His preaching is filled with human psychology, manipulation, and worldly tactics to draw the person to say a man centered prayer. Thats fine. The fact is that there are dozens of national orthodox churches. What is wrong with the scriptural pattern for church leadership? Some local bishops have said one thing while others have said another, while the entirety of Orthodoxy now has now definitive position. The Lord was right when He said many are called but few are chosen, and, as Matthew 7:21 says, merely calling Him Lord doesnt cut it, but doing the will of the Father. My husband and I have left a rather large and very popular CC due to doctrinal issues and having been called elsewhere by the Lord. God is about to shake the church in America. That would be wrong. i dont understand how calvarys views are wrong biblically. I noticed the whole anti-intellectualism/education spirit that seems generally the feeling of evangelicals these days. I had not read any of his books in at least 10 years. I am a believer in Christ and born again although I have chosen not to identify with the worlds religions/ denominations/ movements/ cults but rather I take Jesus Christ pretty seriously and desire to seek his will and pursue his righteousness daily by the power of his Holy SpiritI rely on Gods Spirit to guide my fellowship with him and with fellow believers, to guide my bible study and understanding of Scripture, to guide me in discipling and in full obedience of Gods Word and will daily.
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