1. For they dont practice what they teach. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Only the KJV will be used in this group; Wherever there are people, there is sin. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. I truly dont understand this one, ha! We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). We reject all cooperation with this movement. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. I can not forgive sins! No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I love devotions with the Lord. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Gods will was for me to forgive. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. Mind your own business. Simply not true. I survived the Christian fundamentalist world - Baptist News Whats wrong with a tract rack? All I do is reply to comments. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. They said no mixed bathing. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. We even have TWO. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. Hypocrites! hypocrite. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. XII. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Like I said, Im doing repair work. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. 16. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. We believe in salvation by grace For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. 7. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. 19 How blind! I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). 28. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. The New Testament church should be an independent church. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. 5. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: God Bless. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. Then you have churches with no standards . If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. 36. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. 54. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. Thank God for grace! That makes no sense. Wow. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). 20. I know the answers now. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. I forgave him before he changed. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve 43. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. People can ask for clarification if they want. 31. Great job adding a bit of levity! What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. 47. Again its too legalistic. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian 33 Snakes! Hypocrites! We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Baptist WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? Hey there. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Gospel Furthering Fellowship I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). If you party, DO NOT drink. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Correction is my discernment. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. This is the first and great commandment. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. 30. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. 18. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. 24 Blind guides! The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". I was taught that. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. 53. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. Some true, some not so much. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Its insidious and extremely toxic. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics 15. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. 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(2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Christ suffered and WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Did you read it? The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. THE LAST THINGS We didnt go, but they came back the next week. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe.
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