My company is now evaluating options to move off Stripe because of this fiasco and how it was communicated to customers, along with the complete lack of explanation of whether this impacted the % fee or just the flat $ fee. Agreed, that phrase strikes me as without intrinsic meaning (though I can't say I ever grasped the meaning of "sorry" in the non-apology sense). > we built an ML engine to automatically optimize the bitfields of card network requests. The fee is only $1 when the transaction amount is $24.14. updateApplicationFeeRefund:: FeeId-> RefundId-> MetaData-> Stripe (StripeList ApplicationFeeRefund) newtype FeeId = FeeId Text newtype RefundId = RefundId Text Which of course really means "ok, you win, Stripe is really responsible for fraud detection and we can totally do it, but we're never going to give it to customers out of the box because we profit from fraud regardless of you paying for Radar". The conversion fee varies, but it's about 2% on top of the regular transaction fees. So yeah, you don't get the full detail but you can still use the data they learned. I'm a relatively small fish, but they replied within hours and fixed the issue. I wonder how it added $1B of revenue to Stripe's customers. Now there's 3: regular, VIP, and social media apology tour. I've only done one integration with Stripe and it was such a nice experience that I recommended it to everyone. > According to the rest of the discussion on this page, Visa and other payment networks refund the interchange fee to payment processors (including Stripe) on refunded transactions. stripe_close_dispute: Close a dispute. (It's worth noting, for precision's sake, that a refund is not a chargeback. Honestly, the PaymentIntent API is not difficult to wrap your mind around when you dive into the documentation, and it has you covered on 3D secure payments. To the contrary,they seem to have a pretty good reputation. But with the water rising across the whole pond, we sadly have to start charging for some of these things. Card network fees have been gradually increasing over the years. You guys have been great to work with. Just saying I wouldn’t have used the words “beyond awesome”. stripe_create_account_token: Create a Bank Account Token stripe_create_application_fee_refund: Create a refund for an Application Fee. For what it's worth, the success of my business doesn't hinge on whether Stripe gives me a dollar. The price hike to a grandfathered account is utterly unacceptable and looks/smells like a cheap attempt to make more money for the company. Thanks for replying on this thread, PC. Good. My impression (ex Stripe with no inside knowledge) is that Visa has been raising rates. Don't forget to encrypt your actual data, I think you will be amazed at what needs to happen for selling in EU ;). I’ve never seen a company as averse to squeezing users as I had when I was there. Suggestions cannot be applied while the stripe_create_application_fee_refund: Create a refund for an Application Fee. If I refund a $2,000 charge it costs me the seller approx. But then does the developer now need to track this list of production test cards and make sure the application doesn’t enact some other logic based on the test purchase? They think they deserve 3.5% on top of the initial 2.9% to send money back. Most tech startups know the influence HN has, and to respond to a top post with a mostly defensive stance (vs. the OP points actually having an impact on the decisions being made) is a smart move on the part of the CEO (I would probably do the same thing). You use only that API, and if there's an additional step required on the user's end, you'll get a different "state" in the response. Stripe purposely removes it from the API response because they know that score is the missing link to be able to do risk assessment on your own. Or ~$6k per month in the grandparent commenter’s case ($30k in your case). Higher-end cards (Visa Infinite, Mastercard World Elite, Amex Platinum, etc.) Yeah extremely hard to come by with solution right? For refunds, almost all of the interchange fee is returned. In the US, this was the subject of a recent class-action suit! Stripe Payment Intents is a beta gateway implementation under active development, utilizing the Stripe Payment Intents API.Use it if you want access to the newest features, such as 3D Secure 2. With this policy change, there's no way to test a live production system without paying Stripe all the money it would have gotten if the charge were real. stripe_balance_history: Retrieve a Stripe Account Balance History. I wish your teams the best of luck and skill in this project. Blaming them for trying to make some money with an add-on system that simplifies writing custom rules like "if card country not IP country" or ones that combine the risk score, seems a bit rich. I cannot write that design document for you as I do not have a good understanding of what data you believe you possess at the moment or e.g. Escalating up the chain I got to the supervisor who told me that it was always their policy but they were just now enforcing it. What portion of the transaction cost goes to stripe and what portion goes to Visa/Mastercard or the card-holder's bank? To refund an amount different than the full charge amount, include the amount parameter and enter the amount to refund. Likewise, although the three payment gateways have cross-over fee structure features, there are differences which prevented us from comparing the details apples to apples. That's the un-charitable interpretation. A borrower but not a lender be, I'm not a bank or university. This change directly hurts smaller retailers/e-commerce sites who are not big enough to negotiate smaller processing fees with Stripe. >I hope stripe changes it's ways here, but they have been a large disappointment over the last 4 years or so after a solid start. Otherwise, the API can be a bit confusing, but I've learned to just be very careful when I read the docs and to read them throughly. movie ticket sales, Amazon, App Store, etc). he was using email addresses on the same few domains, cards, even using the same IPs, wasnt very clever at all. I wonder if some regulation were created that bans rules like that from existence whether this would change tomorrow. A Stripe Application Fee Object. It's very dismissive of my original questions, and then tries to guide the conversation away from my question into some type of "hey, good luck with whatever you do" response. This has everything to do with hook-and-charge business approach relying on majority of customers swallowing the arbitrary higher costs because it's more hassles to switch provider, especially for non-technical business owners. They are doing a Paypal. See https://stripe.com/pricing#radar-pricing. Refund sent to cancelled or Expired Card. A Stripe Application Fee Object. The Stripe chat app will appear under the APPS section of the Zoom client: The next step is to authorize your Stripe account with Zoom. It's a double whammy when you have a cancellation and have to refund and then lose 3% on top of that. Their API and documentation has also become pretty good. stripe_create_customer: Create a Customer. Click Refund. Businesses invest in product development and marketing to bring a customer to them. Does this keeping of fee also apply to voided non-captured payments? stripe_create_coupon: Create a coupon. (Anyone want to work on this? Thanks for contributing an answer to Stack Overflow! Client refunds can be processed directly from your PayPal dashboard. I know of one account you did not land because of this. A few companies do charge fees on the end user now. Attributes. We also had to implement an "invisible" Google Captcha which I wasn't a fan of. The question you can answer about this change: Does stripe get interchangeable refunded from the card networks/banks on a refunded transaction? On a Saturday. For my case, their Resolution Centre asked me to provide "DD Business Information" — which I obviously won't have. The fee is only $1 when the transaction amount is $24.14. I'm busy writing a Spreedly integration for my employer. I guess I could enact a strict NO REFUNDS policy but that will put me at a severe disadvantage vs the bigger retailers. Euh, you are talking about EU security features? >It always seems to me like the person wants to say something that appears comforting without actually meaning anything, and seems disingenuous. Why should your mom and pop diner with low fees pay more? This suggestion is invalid because no changes were made to the code. On top of that: custom plans, all sorts of weird line items and discounts, prepays, etc. import stripe. It’s still two days technically, but at some point last year they started delaying the payout in their end if it was a weekend or holiday. Radar's ML-based shield is free for all accounts on standard pricing. Stripe is nothing more than a PayPal clone. (The news is that we're now applying this pricing to Stripe's older users, in part as a response to some price increases that the card networks are making.). Makes me pine for FeeFighter's card processor comparator that GroupOn bought and killed. In my case since we are in Canada they are keeping 3.5%. If you’re selling 2.99 monthly subscriptions, then Stripe is eating ~13% of your revenue (30c + 2.9%). When you refund a transaction, Stripe will return the entire fee. Instead of trying to reduce their costs by pressuring their providers, they're passing along the fees to their customers. An application fee can be refunded only by the application that created the charge. It highly depends on the price of the product you’re selling. Yeah, Stripe is not an iota better than PayPal when it comes to freezing accounts. Is Amazon's service reliable, easy etc? With companies like Spreedly to provide almost-Stripe-quality APIs and PCI-compliant card vaulting at only a flat cost, and a massive amount of "merchant account providers" a quick Google away that can hook into Authorize.net and then into Spreedly, you can end up at 1.75% or less depending on your industry, and the flexibility to dynamically route transactions to merchant accounts (including Stripe itself) based on anything from geography to your own notion of fraud/return risk. Refund with PayPal. To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. I actually talked to support about this once in an email a few weeks ago, and the email began with them saying it's the merchant's responsibility to deal with fraud but by the end of the email discussion, support completely switched their position and said Stripe has the power to prevent it and they will pass my feedback to their product team. A quick search suggests that this incident isn't uncommon: [1] Paypal Thinks I am a Charity Organisation: https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations... [2] Provide charity info - DD Business Inormation: Many lucrative business depend on the person picking the service not being the one paying for it or the kickback going to someone other than one paying. When you refund a transaction, Stripe will return the entire fee. - stripe/stripe-dotnet It's difficult for me to predict our response in every possible hypothetical circumstance, so I'm promising what I feel we can actually promise: a human who cares about your success will review the circumstances and make a judgment call. Caveat here is that the card networks' rules are ridiculously byzantine and making blanket statements is usually a bad idea. It seems to be attached to the BIN. stripe_create_card: Add a credit card to Stripe. When PayPal pulled this change (yes, imo this is a scummy thing to do to merchants), I changed my PayPal flow only to authorize prior to doing the charge so that this refund fee could be avoided. I did a refund on a plane ticket within the 24h grace period (basically refunded no question asked) but I had to pay the credit cards fee anyway. Maybe when Stripe will drop rates once they start experiencing the same churn other processors deal with. With such a system it should be easy to change between PayPal and Stripe and I suggest that we all shutdown the Stripe part to show our discontent. This suggestion is invalid because no changes were made to the code. I'm not asking for an evaluation of whether or not it's a good use of engineering time for me to implement this feature. Stripe charges a conversion fee for charges in a currency not associated with your bank account. provide that when there is now a 2.9% (in our case 3.5%) charge added on every item refunded? They offer a lot of top shelf free tooling that either brings their models into your code or moves the bookkeeping up to their system entirely, ex subscriptions. Businesses have all kinds of costs not directly related to the day to day transactions with customers. Would they be liable for the fees for an attack like this? Eventually every account will have to pay, they just didnt get to you yet. You are still able to use your own logic to say for instance "don't capture if card country and tokenization IP country don't match and risk_level is elevated". Is this out of step with the industry at large? The application fee collected will be capped at the amount of the charge. Contribute to stripe/stripe-ruby development by creating an account on GitHub. What charities he likes to give to? FWIW they do mention it's 2 business days on their docs and have been for quite some time if I remember correctly. Contrast this to PayPal who offer a “micro payments” solution for such cases - where it’s a flat 5% + 5c fee. stripe_create_card: Add a credit card to Stripe. A card can attract USERS by increasing the rewards it offers -> and charging MERCHANTS for the reward. It may also take an hash like arguments, that … If you don't want to apologize, don't feel obligated to do so. Everyone went from offering discounts to cash users to simply charging card users more. > I imagine the card companies have an explicit rule that, in order to accept their cards, a merchant can't charge their users any extra fee? Stripe). They offer a less granular but still useful version for free. But Starting at 5 cents per API call? Is there a Stripe permalink (blog, tweet, etc.) Which instrument of the Bards correspond to which Bard college? PayPal just doesn't care, and it shows. Just the opposite of enterprise software sells. That is the exact idea why they receive a notification when you mention Stripe ;). We've been using stripe for years, this may be enough for us to switch. stripe_create_account_token: Create a Bank Account Token stripe_create_application_fee_refund: Create a refund for an Application Fee. I would never voluntarily work with PayPal tech. It's one of those things where it's like, we've been using you for years (quite happily in fact), but you collected all of this data from us and now instead of helping us by offering fraud detection across the board, you'd rather sell our data back to us in the form of insurance. Some of the other comments in this very post [1][2][3] suggest that Stripe isn't being charged the full fee by other parts of the network. Find help and support for Stripe. There are no fees to refund a payment, but Stripe’s fees on the original payment will not be returned in case of a refund. - Testing production flows with fake numbers is tricky. Follows up the patch in #351, which I now believe is wrong. As a longtime brick-and-mortar retailer, I am used to fees going up and then changing to a new processor to get competitive rates again. They actually charged me a fee to refund that was higher than the original fee charged. There's a vast payments ecosystem beyond Stripe that lets you avoid this. That happened to a non-profit I help as well. I suspect my product can still be purchased for free if you use that EU security feature because nothing could help me figure out when I need to use it or how to do so, so it just looks like the payment succeeded. I've got to disagree on the stripe documentation. i.e. Hypothetically, why can't we wrap copper wires around car axles and turn them into electromagnets to help charge the batteries? Stripe is keeping these fees when a purchase is returned simply to increase their overall profit. Even if one were to follow your reasoning of them using your transaction data to learn, Stripe doesn't owe you the part of Radar that allows you to write custom rules. The loss was less then the cost of Radar though. Sometimes it doesn't work, for example because a poorly understood interaction of systems at their bank decides the charge is likely fraudulent. ;(. Getting them to fix the many many basic issues of their client libraries is hell, testing is no better and library updates often break your testing scenarios. PS: not related to them, just met them at vivatech paris. Don't those fees get refunded to Stripe in case of a refund, though? Totally worth it. A few months back, I was hit with an attack from a spammer, who managed to place a few hundred orders through my Stripe checkout. > I would never voluntarily work with PayPal tech. Not an extra $58. Thats the desired effect– not a side-effect! The trouble is that we were mutating the application fee object, when in reality an application fee refund is actually a completely new resource (see creating a refund). From my experience as a PM at Stripe, it is unwarranted in this case. So if you offer such testing card numbers you should make sure your customers need a specific workflow to handle them (e.g. Even if you run it 3x/day in production, it's less than $100/month. To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers. stripe_create_card: Add a credit card to Stripe. For partial refunds, all processing fees are returned at a prorated amount, but the transaction fee is not returned. (Ask me about how a particular US bank has caught 17 of the last 0 times a fraudster in Japan used my credit card to purchase software.). I've also reached the point where regular production deployments make sense (or at least the payments logic is stable enough). Once again, related to stripe/stripe-php#208. It's particularly ironic that online payment services are among the worst offenders for making API changes that require significant changes to integrations or even a whole new integration, and that by their nature they are also at high risk of Very Bad Things happening if an integration breaks. API keys could be wrong for a start and a lot of web services don't give you a programmatic way to sync settings between environments. Create a refund for an application fee. stripe_create_application_fee_refund: Create a refund for an Application Fee. Plenty of other places are looking at massive costs to move off Stripe and I am sure someone at Stripe is aware of that. But many of these stories we hear have to do with consistent customers with a stable payment history and a good relationship. $0.20) but to hold onto the 3% is an absolute scam. Using the Stripe API. If I'm the CEO and largest shareholder of a public company, would taking anything from my office be considered as a theft? The idea that they have been doing customers a favor is not accurate. Though it's been a few years, I remember the Adyen API returning all of this in the pre-auth response (had a business that didn't accept payments from prepaid cards, fraud was too high). I've always had a concern about getting a real card flagged for fraud / card-status-probing and thus locked. Don't "test" checkout flows in production unless you're using real credit cards :D. And yet in 2020, you still can't write an automated test suite that spins up a virgin test environment, simulates all relevant scenarios, and allows you to quickly verify that your integration is responding properly as part of your normal CI process. There are possibly some pieces you cannot completely reproduce but for the most part you can build your own rules on your own. Including weird stuff like falling into delinquency - it takes a little bit more thought, but it’s fine. And yet Authorize.net and many others manage it without drama. I am creating an application fee refund but not getting the expected application_fee_refund object. And gouging because others gouge is not a good reason or excuse. https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22371571, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22371746, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22371626. I also encourage you to question your entire argument here. It was mildly inconvenient, and eventually I just stopped because there was never actually a difference between their staging and prod behaviour. Please continue to do what you're doing in this space. Can you tell what I'm missing. If the refund fails to show up, you will need to get in touch with Stripe for help. Have you negotiated with Stripe? GDPR, I think, is the root cause for the more complex PSD2 flow. The amount of hacks that went into maintaining these internal systems was shocking. Or, last year, we built an ML engine to automatically optimize the bitfields of card network requests. Probably a startup in there, but not one I'd like to build. For improvements that don't represent discrete new features, the changes can be non-obvious. The interchange fees aren't going up because of higher rates of returns. They know this from analytics. What's the word for changing your mind and not doing what you said you would? Enter the amount you would like to refund. This could have been a lot worse though which is what troubled me the most. By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy. > we built an ML engine to automatically optimize the bitfields of card network requests, There’s a few fields you can set meta data around the transaction. Currently, we are weighing our options to move our business to other partners; however, as a small business that mainly operates in non-US currencies, the changes to your refund policies AND the non-US bank policies will effectively kill our partnership with Stripe. rev 2021.1.21.38376, Stack Overflow works best with JavaScript enabled, Where developers & technologists share private knowledge with coworkers, Programming & related technical career opportunities, Recruit tech talent & build your employer brand, Reach developers & technologists worldwide, Have you asked Stripe? That is absolutely incorrect. Whether Spreedly will really be able to wrap those flows up in their API is an iffy question to me still. They didn't take that away from you or lured you into anything. Previously, Stripe used to charge 2.9% + $0.30. The lock-in features you describe are Stripe doing development work for your business. A few quick thoughts --, - This is not a new policy change -- it's been our pricing for all new users since 2017. That amount times 2.9% is your new reality. Complete reference documentation for the Stripe API. Sometimes even more than the original interchange fee is returned (don't ask why). Wondering the same. All that said, it's helpful to hear how it seems from your standpoint. The application fee refund object. So it would be fair if Stripe charged a small transaction fee for a refund but returned the bulk of the interchange fees. For the former, you have to run some tests on production after initial setup and major changes surely? It's not available for everyone by default. Get your questions answered and find international support for Stripe. I'm curious of whether they really required Radar custom rules specifically or whether Radar rules would just have been more convenient than writing your own rule evaluator? 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